Bigclique?
I found a spider crawling over my site today from bigclique.com. A visit to their site announces:
The Most Anticipated Search Engine to Cover the Net!
Opening April 2005!
Firstly, I’ve never heard of this site before, so I am not anticipating it.
Secondly, too many exclamation marks looks slightly suspicious, in a spammy kind of way.
Update 7 April: Now opening May 2005. Ooh the anticipation…
Update 13 April: Some digging around (and thanks to Openx at the Search Engine Forums for the initial info) BigClique is owned by the gRock Media Group based in New York.
Well, they appear to be a pretty massive company, but I still stand by my statement on the website itself. It is possible to drill down into the site, even though there are no direct links, to see the About Us page.
“Just Search.. Nothing Else!TM” – apart from a Flash-based logo and the diversion of spam to their contact email addresses to a (currently) unused domain name. OK, it does have their site in that domain name, but if it is ever registered, it could immediately get hit with spam. That’s irresponsible.
Update 14 April: I’ve been reading through some of the other pages on BigClique. We finally get to see something of the philosophy behind the new engine. Apparently, the ‘monopoly’ of the large search engines (by this I presume they mean Google, Yahoo, possibly MSN) is ‘uncontrollable’. The ‘average user’ doesn’t search beyond page 10 of the search results (are we assuming 10 results per page, or 20, or 50?). This engine aims to give small and medium-sized businesses a chance, with its propietary well-tested algorithms. It will also display a snapshot of the page that has been indexed, because it feels that the sites that look more professional will get the most hits.
We cannot offer you, News, Maps, Email or a Maybach. Just Search… Nothing Else!
What if I want to search for news? 
Now, let’s take a look at the Web Directory – oh look, what are in the most prominent positions?
Finances: Debt Consolidation, Mortgages, Credit Repair
Online Gambling: Online Casions, Blackjack, Monte Carlo, Slots, Poker
Health: Phentermine, Viagra, Lipitor
Sorry, but that’s not my idea of a well-organised, impartial directory. Try dmoz for a look at how a directory should be put together. I’m not saying that those terms aren’t in there, but you don’t put specifics on the index page of a directory.
For a professional site, there are too many grammatical errors, spelling mistakes and inappropriate language. For example:
“Typically it would of been easier for us to re-preoduce…”
“This would of taken us about a week…”
“…this is known as S.O.S “Same Old S**T”.
And finally, the “Press Releases” page. There aren’t any. So much for the marketing then.
Update 5 May:
I knew this was coming (the date change, not the reason):
Now opening on 16th May. Or whenever.
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April 7th, 2005 at 5:05 pm
I also saw this search engine spider my site this week. Just becasue the site has exclamations that does not mean “spammy”. There are more search engines than the boring google & yahoo and people have to give other (new) search engines/businesses a chance to prove themselves before we make prejudgements. As long as they spider my site regularly i am for it. Good Luck Bigclique.
April 7th, 2005 at 10:36 pm
Danny, if you think a new site branding itself as “The Most Anticipated Search Engine…” is not reminiscent of spam, or at best is highly pretentious, then you’ve sheltered yourself well. Sure, I am happy to see new search engines, but even Google didn’t use these self-proclaiming words when it started. If it is worth its salt, word of mouth will increase its popularity and usage, not brash claims that cannot be substantiated. It is not ‘most anticipated’ as I, and many other people, are not anticipating it! In fact, I forgot about it until I saw your comment, and I’ve even attempted writing about it!
I also don’t go ‘for’ a site just because it chooses to spider my site. I’m not ‘for’ any of the Viagra, Porn, Gambling and Pharmaceutical sites that send spiders to my site, because all they want to do is spam me.
Let BigClique stand on its features, coverage and grassroots popularity. If it has these, it will succeed to some measure. If not, its claims are empty.
April 8th, 2005 at 8:22 pm
Again, I say don’t prejudge as you are doing (have done)… YOU and I dont know everything so whether you or I have heard “nothing” of this new engine is besides the point. Maybe alot of other people have there are more than the 3 main marketing forums on the net if you search. The point is there is a new search engine in town and we have to give it a chance don’t look to google or yahoo as the diamond stone there is competition and that is good in whatever form it comes. So if you do not like the word “Anticipated” contact the site owner to remove your site from the index then you will be happy, as for me personally i will wait and see what this site has to offer once it go’s live and then make a judgement based on what I see not on words I dont like.
As for the spam “assumption” I have not had any spamming emails from this site and after looking at my logs they soidered over 60 pages of my site and my email is there on every page to be “harvested”.
So once again… if this was a court case you would be close to a defamation law suit against you. Also remember you are NOTG AWARE as to where this business is marketing and promoting there site so maybe you are ignorant of the fact they exist maybe there are others who will know, like I said YOU and I don’t know everything and we must not pretend like we do.
Personally I market my sites well beyond google and yahoo which i will devulge in this thread or anywhere else but once i find out the alogorithm of bigclique.com to optimize all my sites they too will be part of my marketing mix. Personally for me, the more people that think like you means more traffic for me.
April 8th, 2005 at 9:23 pm
I’m allowed to prejudge what I like on my site. I am allowed to have an opinion, just as you are. My opinion is still as stated in my blog posting and my comment. If ‘BigClique’ really is so highly anticipated, and being that it is an online entity, I would expect people to be talking about it – and yet pretty much the only entry I can find online is our little discussion, plus a few web server logs. Surely forums, web logs and web pages, to name but a few, would mention it somewhere.
I never claimed to know everything; please don’t read things into my post that I didn’t say.
Oh come on now, I really don’t think so – unless it would be part of their marketing strategy. I’d like to see them try, to be honest. If saying something is ‘slightly suspicious or at best pretentious’ is defamatory as any Court of Law would see it, then there’s something seriously wrong. I have free speech on my site and I am not inciting other people to be suspicious.
Email spam is just a subset of spam. I haven’t received anything from them either. Then again (and I am not saying they are in the same league by any means, this is merely an example) I haven’t received email from the people who bomb my site stealing bandwidth and trying to submit unsolicited advertising in my comments – it’s still spam, and I am not alone in defining it as such. There are also ‘bad’ user agents – again I am not suggesting that BigClique is a bad user agent, but it does happen; bots who hog bandwidth.
I’m slightly puzzled how search engines are going to care or work out that ‘people who think like me’ (thanks for being omniscient on the subject of me, and not at all stereotypical) will mean more traffic for you. Given that this is a weblog, which by nature is about the thoughts of its writer, that is surely an oxymoron. I do very well for traffic from a variety of sources, search engines included. I also do very well on other web sites I run. This wasn’t originally a posting about marketing strategy, merely about a site that I found thanks to its spider visiting my site. I’m surprised you haven’t added a URL to your post given that, for blogs, many people follow the links by commenters – but that’s rhetorical and I don’t really want to go into it. Just a comment, a personal thought, on my personal blog. Thanks Danny.
April 9th, 2005 at 1:02 am
Everyone has the right to an opinion ONLY after ALL the evidence has been laid to ground. If not, then it is just hear say prejudgement banter. Anyhow… my point still stands also, if the word “anticipation” bothers you, contact the owner to remove your site, failing this you are just blowing hot air.
If your first thoughts are that the site is “spammy” without really finding out or giving the site a chance go live then morally show your total disgust and ask them to remove your site from thier search index.
Personally I am tired of reading everywhere “pundits” who claim to know, but before knowing they judge and when someone comes to the site not knowing anything they then read the script and take it as is. So in your position with a blog it is your responsiblity to post constructive thoughts “opinions” or else you are in the business of propaganda whichever way you look at it.
I dont say you are wrong OR right (as I) I just say before you posted your opinion “blasting” the site you should of at least waited for them to go live then base a proper constructive method of evaluating them to your readers. So in laymans terms, you jumped the gun.
As I looked to see your site stats in Alexa which reads “No Data” (no traffic) there is no point of me putting my URL, the ONLY reason I got to find your site was because like you I was curious to see who bigclique.com was. So in effect you should thank bigclique.com for getting me here. So however much you prejudged them they got you a visitor and thats what counts, may I also add for FREE.
Looking at your other messages I am the ONLY person so far to comment on any of your blog messages. Please do not think I am being rude I am just saying that like you and I EVERYONE starts at the bottom and while there we don’t need wrongful accusations or half truths while we climb upwards.
Dont support one thing support many and many will support you.
Thanks Andy
April 9th, 2005 at 11:00 am
I’m sorry, but that’s not true. If everyone waited until all the evidence was before them, most of the media would die. I presume, from that statement, that you have never had an initial opinion on the war in Iraq, on the Michael Jackson case, on the threat of terrorism…? We all have opinions, and we all pre-judge. I am not saying it’s always right to pre-judge, however in this case I merely made a comment based on something I saw. I did do a quite extensive search to see what evidence I could find for their claim (their claim, not mine) and found none. I searched again following your statement that I don’t know everything (which I never claimed to) and again, found no evidence that anyone is anticipating this search engine.
Of course it is – except I was judging the statement that they made, not the product. I didn’t say “this search engine will be rubbish” because I don’t know that yet. I merely made a comment on their holding page headline. If Google had done this I would probably have done the same, if no-one was talking about it. Should BigClique go on and become a massive success, well great, I’ll acknowledge it – but I won’t retract what I’ve already said.
Plus, this site is often about banter – it’s a personal site, and that is very often what personal sites do.
These are two totally different things. I happen to think the word ‘anticipation’ is a rather inflated word to use given the apparent evidence, as I personally see it. I didn’t say that I did not want my site crawled or listed by the engine. In any case, if I was really concerned then I would have doubts about the worth of contacting the owner and requesting removal, and would merely block the robot at source (in my .htaccess file). I haven’t done so. You have misinterpreted my comment about the content of the home page as somehow meaning that I don’t want my site crawled. Incidentally, I never said that the bot was spamming or hogging bandwidth on my site – I used examples of bots that can do this but I didn’t accuse BigClique’s Daisy of doing this.
See above point about this. It is true (is it not?) that much spam and the destinations for spam are riddled with (likely false) claims (about organ enhancement, sex drive, unsubstantiated health claims, etc. etc.) …
"OEM software ofrfes are really great", "Do not miss your chance to become wealthier!!!", "THE BEST OFFER ON THE BRAND SOFTWARE MARKET!!". I merely made a passing comment that the front page of the BigClique site resembled some of these. I’m not saying that they actually spam – I merely stated a characteristic based on my own research. Again, it was a comment on their pre-launch status (the whole comment would be impossible to make in their live state)If I were writing for an established publication then I would possibly be more careful, although then again I have seen plenty of commentaries like this (not about this exact subject, by the way) which perhaps come closer to the libel line that you thought I was sailing close to. This is a personal blog, and as such the only responsibility it has is to post things that I am thinking. Nowhere is it written that personal bloggers should only post constructive opinions. Maybe this is propaganda (though I am a private individual; I don’t work for Google or some rival search engine, so I fail to see how I am systematically promoting a doctrine or a cause)
How do you see what I posted as ‘blasting’? Perhaps you should take a look at some of my other posts, if you think this was ‘blasting’. I thought it was quite a benign post. Again, as I have already said, I was commenting on their pre-launch state – therefore waiting for them to go live was not an option. How did I jump the gun? I never said I was reviewing their live site. You have misinterpreted and exaggerated my post.
Exactly, and the more we argue the more traffic is being generated. Just as you told me not to base my judgment on one or two search engines or marketing sites (even though I didn’t, so you prejudged me there, but that’s OK) – I say to you: don’t use Alexa as a guide to a site’s popularity. Just because you have the Alexa toolbar, it doesn’t mean everyone does. Heck, the Alexa toolbar isn’t even platform-independent, so a rather skewed selection of the Internet population is represented by it. I wouldn’t expect many Mac sites to rate highly on Alexa. Anyway (and I’m sorry I haven’t investigated the evidence, this is just hearsay) – ‘No Data’ is not the same as ‘No Traffic’. I would be very surprised if your site didn’t receive some traffic from this site, if you placed a link. At the end of the day, what is there to lose?
1. That’s not true, but in any case.
2. Number of comments does not equal popularity.
3. This isn’t my only site, or my only blog.
Opinion, not accusation.
Interesting holistic view.
April 9th, 2005 at 5:03 pm
Hi Andy,
You have just answered my point the way it should be with the Alexa rating i know for sure that they are not the authority on traffic but I said this for s response. I “prejudged” your site without knowing the proper traffic details and if you never replied to justfiy or clarify a newcomer would see this and think you really don’t have any traffic with as you ans i know is not true.
You are correct again I never supported the war in Iraq and it was lies the reason the war was based. NOW the world sees that, BUT when people as myself (maybe you too) oposed the war based on the “evidence” we were shunned at by certain sectors of society. A PREjudgement was made in the most disgusting form and because of that, Iraq will never be “settled” again, that “war” will go on forever just like the Palestinians and the Jews. When wars are done for correct reasons there is always a short ending because they have the PEOPLES support, failing this once the people are against you it does not matter how big your army is you will ALWAYS lose, history and current events shows us this. The agenda of the war was to STEAL the oil and not to save the people, if this was the case there are tirant leaders and regimes all over the world and the USA ONLY seem to care where thier is a financial gain for them personally. WHY have they not gone to North Korea, Sudan (Dafor), Ethiopia, Eritrea, Iran EVEN South Africa back in the day!! So lets not fool ourselves, this war was based ONLY on oil and Saddam was used as a pawn in the game to get too the King but halfway through the game changed and instead of caprturing the King (ending the war) we are in a state of stalemate with the upper hand going to the people not the occupational army.
So prejuding “opinions” can be dangerous and what I say is that in the times we are living now you and i cannot afford to have a personal opinion without having the REAL solid facts. Today your traffic maybe small today but who knows tomorrow and tomorrow is more important and today has already ended. I am a person who will always look at facts before making any judgement or decision, as prejudement like i said is just bad propaganda.
I saw your other posts and I saw you do have people commenting also, so me to say that was just to fire you up and let you see how it feels when wrong information is around on the internet about you, it is not nice always having to justify/defend yourself it is time consuming and wrong.
Personally I hate Google & Yahoo they have way to much undeserved free press on the internet and beyond and it is good that competition is around. So i think the likes of you and I have a duty to promote and push NEW sites forward so in the long run it will be better for everyone in marketing and take away the full power from these guys. The search engine war has not even begun yet and I know that new search engines need help from the start not apologies at the end.
I think witht he attention your sites gets you should aire your views more positively for new sites and help the internet get rid of the beasts (google & yahoo) altogether. Competition is good, monopoly is not!
April 9th, 2005 at 5:42 pm
You have still failed to see (or acknowledge) that my post was about the BigClique site in it’s pre-release state. I am allowed to have an opinion on the site, and whilst it can be argued that it is a pre-judgment on the live site, it is also true to say that it is an actual judgment on the site as it stands now. It may not be a true statement, but it is my opinion. Not a pre-judged opinion of the site itself, but an opinion on the site as it is now.
If an unknown manufacturer started taking out ads in the national newspapers claiming that it was making ‘the most anticipated family car’ and yet the automotive and general press had never mentioned it, and the general public were silent on it (or perhaps looking blankly at it) then I don’t think it would be unjustified to be a little suspicious. Even if Ford or Chrysler or whoever else made these claims, I would still be suspicious. From where I am sitting, there is no evidence to back up their claims – I would expect to see a listing of features, reasons as to why the site will be so good, who is backing and funding the project, and so on. The domain name was only registered in January, which in itself is not a huge problem, but it maybe shows a more short-term attitude. Again, this is my opinion, which I am entitled to.
Incidentally, I was not particularly rattled by your statement about lack of comments on my site – anyone could read that and then peruse the site and see that there were comments.
I am still bemused by this idea of ‘duty’ that I should have. I certainly have a duty to do the things that I believe in, but I don’t see why I have any duty to promote new sites that I know nothing about. I actually don’t have a problem with Google – sure they get free press but they are also used by real people, and they currently manage to innovate in a number of areas. I use other sites for different purposes that Google don’t excel at. I don’t feel any particular sense of loyalty to any of these kinds of sites, though. There are some sites that I do feel more loyalty to – those with which I have a personal relationship with the owners or contributors. Why would I promote sites of which the content or ownership I know nothing about. The site could be funded by arms dealers for all I know (it probably isn’t and that isn’t a statement).
Search engines in particular are probably not going to take off because they are linked to. I’d be surprised if Google took off or accelerated its growth this way. People generally don’t link to search engines (though they may use the technology or allow searches from their own sites). If this had been several years ago, and I had written this about Google, I really don’t think they would care, or even require an apology. I probably wouldn’t give one either. Regardless of the final outcome of this new search engine, the pre-release state is what I commented on, and I will always stand by my initial opinion.
Of course competition is good, but Google has been a dominant force because people want to use it. Unlike Microsoft, who make it hard for other software vendors to break in to their operating system because they ship their own (sometimes inferior) products right in with Windows – search engines are generally used because people want to use them. Word of mouth will promote the latest and best engines. Times were when Altavista was the SE of choice, but times change.
I don’t mean to be cynical and I will give sites and individuals the benefit of the doubt. It is sad that the Internet has been spoiled by spammers and crackers – however when a site appears to be anonymous, with little information, and makes certain claims, alarm bells ring. Maybe it’s a search engine backed by Ask Jeeves or Excite or, well whoever, but it would be interesting to at least see that. And even if it’s some new individuals that we’ve never heard of (like we’d not really heard of Google until it arrived) a few paragraphs about the owners wouldn’t go amiss.
My guess is that a lot of people who have visited their site are web site owners looking at their web logs. A bit of interesting information for these (generally) more tech-savvy people wouldn’t go amiss.
April 9th, 2005 at 7:48 pm
We must agree to disagree. Before I personally make a comment or voice an opinion good or bad about bigclique.com I will wait to see the site go live, and if asked at this point what i think i will reply “not too sure the site is not live yet fo rme to comment on” afterall they are not selling us the wrod “anticipated” but search results, and results is what count not marketing words. So no need to comment on words of marketing but substance and results.
The site as it stands now is a one page billboard for the opening of the site as I see it, nothing more nothing less. Again WE both dont know everything so maybe (i am sure) they have marketed thier site outside of the realms of us both more possibly offline so to say you have been to your usual SEO forums and not seen anything there like if it is not there then forget it, is totally wrong.
Personally for me just look at us too going back and forth that one page has definetly worked for thier marketing, we are talking about them, LOL!! AND I am sure there are MANY other places this discussion is also taking place. Like you said they only got the domain in January so possibly over the coming months other search engines will spider all the other sites containing links and talking about bigclique.com
Just for the record, I think i will use thier marketing strategy myself on my next new site. It seems to work just fine. I have bookmarked the site and wait like I am sure the many others for the site to go live.
April 11th, 2005 at 12:45 pm
I think so, or nore to the point I shall resign myself to the fact that you have still misunderstood my reasoning on the post. But there you go – I feel a circular argument approaching so it’s time to nip it in the bud.
I still haven’t seen anything on its marketing. I’m not omniscient or omnipresent, but I do have a fairly wide reach of the media. Silence… It’s quite amusing that Google (albeit a potential competitor) thinks I’m searching for ‘BigClive’ – maybe BigClive is the owner…
I think talking about BigClique has done more for my page than theirs at the moment, given that when you search for it (in Google at least) my page comes up at the top – even above theirs. Probably due to fresh content over a holding page.
I’m waiting for them to go live too – I had hoped it would be April but of course they slipped to May. Wonder if it will be May…
PS I’d be interested to see where else this discussion is taking place. I still haven’t found anywhere. Anyone? Hellooooo…
April 12th, 2005 at 4:42 am
Hi Andy,
Never an argument with you, a discussion
I just checked also and saw May for the opening. Lets wait and see but I think it can only mean good things. At least they have posted an updated date change so at least we know real people are behind it.
April 12th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Looking forward to it…
April 15th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
I think you have shares in google. Why on earth are you trying to KILL the site before it even OPENS???? I saw on the front page (index) that they are not open until May 9th 2005 SO WHY AGAIN ARE YOU judging a site that CLEARLY says it is not open?????
This is my last comment on your site, you are not a serious webmaster that seeks facts all you do is PRE JUDGE and i cannot agree with your views as there is no view to contrast it against since they are not open.
Wait until May 9th before you try to kill a site that is already dead and will not BE ALIVE UNTIL MAY 9TH. Sell your shares in google & yahoo then you will have an impartial outlook on what is what.
April 16th, 2005 at 2:14 am
Part1:
YOU Commented:
OK, it does have their site in that domain name, but if it is ever registered, it could immediately get hit with spam. That’s irresponsible. ===
Spam email that someone will register??? I have not heard anything so dumb! Take a look at this, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY SITES DO THIS SO COMMENT ON ALL (http://www.gigablast.com/contact.html – sales@gigaXXXXblast.com). I am starting to think you have a personal vendetta against this NOT yet opened search engine/company, do you????????
YOU Comment:
…(by this I presume they mean Google, Yahoo, possibly MSN) is ‘uncontrollable’. The ‘average user’ doesn’t search beyond page 10 of the search results (are we assuming 10 results per page, or 20, or 50?). ===
When is the last time you saw 50 search results on those big engines above???? i think common sense would me put me at 10 search results per page.
YOU Comment:
We cannot offer you, News, Maps, Email or a Maybach. Just Search… Nothing Else!
What if I want to search for news?
===
Watch, click or Read CNN, FOX, BBC etc….
April 16th, 2005 at 2:15 am
Part2:
YOU Comment:
Now, let’s take a look at the Web Directory – oh look, what are in the most prominent positions?
Finances: Debt Consolidation, Mortgages, Credit Repair
Online Gambling: Online Casions, Blackjack, Monte Carlo, Slots, Poker
Health: Phentermine, Viagra, Lipitor
Sorry, but that’s not my idea of a well-organised, impartial directory. Try dmoz for a look at how a directory should be put together. I’m not saying that those terms aren’t in there, but you don’t put specifics on the index page of a directory. ===
Maybe (I am sure) they are not trying to be dmoz, google, yahoo or anyone else, maybe if they were then you would be the first person to scream direct immitation from such and such site.
YOU Comment:
And finally, the “Press Releases� page. There aren’t any. So much for the marketing then. ===
Andy say May 9th VERY VERY slowly 10 times then try to guess why we/nobody has not seen a press release yet. If there is no press release there on the May 9th or 10th the date they put as there opening (depending where you live in the world) then you are valid, but for now you are very wrong. Pre-juding as usual. I would love to hear you say some nonsense about the “big guys” as I have seen many imperfections with there engines.
Danny
April 16th, 2005 at 10:44 am
Nah, I’m not that rich.
I’m not – I’m merely commenting on what I’ve found out about the site thus far, open or not.
I’m judging their preamble. They have chosen to publish this (and granted, I thought they hadn’t done that). I have a right to judge what they have written about themselves and the state of the Internet as they see it.
Definition: Webmaster: The person at a site
providing World Wide Web information who is responsible for
maintaining the public pages and keeping the Web server running and properly configured.
I don’t see anything in the definition of ‘webmaster’ that says that such a person must air particular views or publish information in a certain way. Perhaps the word ‘publisher’ or ‘writer’ or ‘journalist’ would have been a more accurate word to use to describe what I am not a serious one of. I am certainly a serious webmaster.
LOL I like that.
I am impartial – I have no vested interest in any of those companies. I just use what is best for my needs, and I comment on what I read and observe.
That’s because, by definition, you can’t hear something that is dumb
No I don’t. Just because many sites do this, it does not make it right. Perhaps spam is right? It is not right to jeopardise a domain, even one that doesn’t yet exist, in order to divert spam. There are better ways of doing this.
No, common sense does not stipulate 10 results per page. There are customisations possible in search results pages. Different search engines have different numbers of results per page returned.
Well, probably not Fox
I know we are never going to agree, but as that was your last post on the subject I guess the argument stops here.
April 16th, 2005 at 10:55 am
Wow, comment flood Danny. Slow down, one post is enough.
I thought Press Release preceded a launch.
I would not worry if the site looked much like another – they have already stated that they could of (sorry, have) copied information from Google, but chose not to. It’s just ironic (whether or not it’s just my pre-judgment) that the prominent items in their directory are some of the most commonly spammed subjects right now. Yes, I know that also could mean that they are just popular subjects, but even so…
April 16th, 2005 at 1:14 pm
Personally for me you are wrong and all you are doing is trying to have the first thing to say about this new search engine from the get go so YOU will be shown in searched search results around the net on this bigclique engine and topic. So although you have found out NOTHING you still persist to continue.
What you are doing and have done????
There is a vacant new empty shop that will not open for 3 months, this is CLEARLY written on the front shop window. The owner starts to paint the wall in blue YOU walk past the window of the shop and say to everyone else “disgusting the walls are in blue and tell all your friends!! You walk past the next day and it is a different color and they is more mess on the floors, you report to your friends again.. “i just found out the shop is very messy, if they want to know how to do a shop lok at the Versace shop interior….” months go past they open shop on the date that is clearly written on the front shop window. All the mess from the shop is removed and the paint has dried and is now a different color from what you “reported” to all your friends.
He opened the shop on time and there was a big opening day frenzy, shoppers where there and also press. The shop owner released the press release on the day of the opening causing the press to HURRY down to the store as before they got the press release they saw a few notices around and word of mouth on the opening. The opening was smooth and successfull… and they all lived happily ever after!
NOW… you see you wrongfully prejudge a dirty shop with a paint color that was not correct and now to your frinds you look like a fool and you will not be trusted the next time you tell them something… WHY you think no other forums have spoken OR answered your questions as you wish they would do??… BECAUSE as repsonsible and credible webmasters, journalists, writers they know in cases like this YOU have no choice but to wait to see how things go on opening day to make a judgement and aire views. Keep on talking as you are and the only place people will take you serious is at your own blog. I am telling you this for your own sake, it is up to you if you take the advice.
April 17th, 2005 at 7:55 am
Danny, I had not intended to get my site in the top ranks for ‘BigClique’ – the fact it is there is merely because, as you correctly state, it is barely talked about elsewhere. I merely commented on something I saw online. The other points I have made were in response to things you levelled at me, not the original post. I am getting rather fed up with you telling me what I have done when for the most part now I have been answering your return comments. The original post is quite far removed from where we are now.
I have not done what your analogy accuses me of, but to use a variant of your analogy: if I saw an empty shop with a big poster on the window saying “The most anticipated newsagent to cover Anytown!”, yet I had heard nothing about it, the local community knew nothing about it, there were no press releases, and probably the only people to know anything about it would be some people in the council, and the owners, then I would be suspicious. Now if it had just said “Newsagent opening soon” well fine, but the problem is with the self-promoting jargon.
THAT is all I ever initially commented about the site. Yes, I added further comments as I found out more about the site, but that was based upon the words of the owners themselves.
I also object to you drawing analogies to a small post I published on a worldwide blog – an almost throwaway post – and insinuating that I act like this with my friends over issues that really matter (a local shop is more important to the local economy that a global search engine that is apparently going to do so well anyway – like it’s going to suffer because one person (me) says a few negative things about it?). At the end of the day, this is a viewpoint, and if it were my friends I was talking toi, I would expect them to have enough good sense to make their own judgments. I would have merely stated my observations and my own opinion, which my friends would appreciate even if not agree with. Please don’t start throwing big words around like ‘trust’ – you know nothing about my circle of friends and I don’t appreciate that. And please don’t tell me that was just an example of pre-judging me. I judged something on what it published about itself. You are trying to judge my relationships based on nothing I have said. Don’t mix my opinions with my relationships please Danny.
Thank you
April 17th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
Yeah, Yeah… whatever. The point IS you jumped to conclusions.
I just saw bigclique’s Alexa ranking yesterday it is at 157,218 and that is with the site CLOSED!! and your ranking on Alexa is 1,686,543 with a site that has been open for YEARS, go figure.
Alexa is not the God stone of traffic reporting BUT it gives a rough estimate as to the traffic being generated by a site this you can go and see on the major blogs and everyone will tell you this also.
AGAIN… my point is, you prejudged a site based on marketing jargon and tried to put a site in bad light before it is open this is bad practice AND i stand by my word YOU are the ONLY person on the net that has tried to kill bigclique before it is open.
WHY… when you yourself have found thier email address you have not contacted them with your “investigations” into the word “Anticipation” instead of blurbing everywhere badly, that is very irresponsible and my point still stands nobody else has responded to your early insults of the site. YOU have found thier physical address, get on a plane and visit them and ask them directly any questions you may have, YOU have found thier phone number call them and see if they speak english.
The bigclique directory you talk of is for them to decide not YOU or I, ALL search engines/directories are different and will appeal to different people and if you dont like it, dont use it, go somewhere else, pack your bags and leave… simple.
Above you wrote you don’t want traffic from this new search engine, i wrote to you before that you should contact the owners and ask them to remove your site from the search index, this would guarantee you of no traffic from this site and based on your Alexa rankings from no other site also.
You are correct I do not know your friends and I am VERY HAPPY it irritated you to get “wrong” information pointed at you, now you see how time consuming it is to always be defending yourself… take that as a lesson. Don’t do to others that you don’t want done to you.
Honestly people cannot have views as I said before when you do not have the correct information in front of you and you prejudge history always tell us this and this will never change for the future.
SO… in future hold of on your “thought” UNTIL you have more information then you will make better judgements and a better read in your forums and based on this more people will come to your forum as a source of CORRECT news and not slander.
Danny.
April 17th, 2005 at 9:33 pm
You know, I actually started off this whole conversation trying to be civil, to give my point of view to your objections clearly and politely, but as you refuse to do the same, I am ending this now. You’re just rude. My original post was made about a company and a page, it was not directed at an individual. Nowhere have I made it my aim to shut the site down, or to remove my site from the engine, or to persecute the owners. YOU have accused me of this – a personal attack quite different from what I said. Incidentally, what I said publicly and non-anonymously. You have effectively remained anonymous whilst firing increasingly hostile shots at me.